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Lost my glasses

I always wondered as a kid how some people could say "I lost my glasses." How do you lose them? They're on your face!

Well, today my glasses weren't on my face. I wanted to wear contacts because I was singing a solo in church (yes, I am vain enough to want to wear contacts when I'm standing up there), but we were running late this morning. So I threw the contact case in my purse, and put my contacts in after we got to church and I practiced my song. So, my glasses went into my purse, because I had nowhere else to put them.

Every time I took something out of my purse today, I had to move my glasses out of the way. "Good," I thought to myself, "they're still there."

Until we got home tonight. I'm about to take my contacts out, I open up my purse.... and no glasses. I emptied it out and they're not there. I must have taken them out at one point to get to something else....and then forgotten to put them back in.

I hope I left them at church so I can get them back. As it is, I will have to wear my contacts every day this week (I don't like wearing them to work), and that's going to slow down my morning routine significantly.

Of course, church today was all about the sovereignty of God - He has everything planned out before time. So I guess He planned for me to lose my glasses, and something about this situation will be for the good.

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Re: Ok, and?

nightskyre March 26th, 2007
"If we have any responsibility to respond positively to anything, then we must have some degree of free will."

Romans 3:23
"For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"

Romans 6:23a
"For the wages of sin is death"

So, all have sinned, and because of that, all deserve death. This doesn't say "those who sin deserve death." In fact, it is a foregone conclusion according to the Bible that everyone is a sinner. If it's our free will, why would the Bible assume that it's a foregone conclusion?

Romans 6:17-18 (emphasis mine)
"But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed, and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness."

"How can God let us fall behind on our fate? If everything happens for a reason and everything is meant to be by the grace of God, then it's all happening right on schedule. How can we as humans suggest that God has made a mistake? Obviously, if its happening, then it must be the plan. Why can't we control how me get there, and God just make sure we arrive?"

First, you're positioning your comment to make it appear that I asked this question honestly. The point of my question was asserting that your statement didn't make sense.

"Why can't we control how me(sic) get there, and God just make sure we arrive?"

If God was making sure we arrived at his milestone at the right time (as you put it), then he was asserting his authority in away that denies us the freedom of our will. You're almost making my argument for me.

Re: Ok, and?

lil_cherub March 26th, 2007
That's because I don't fully disagree with you! I agree that God controls our lives. But to say he controls every single detail of our daily life is hard to imagine because the Bible implies we have so many choices.

We all eventually die, therefore we must all be sinners. Even Jesus died in an earthly sense, does that mean he sinned as well?

I know you both focus very much on the exact written message. Which means you both believe that this huge planet was created from start to finish in one week. I believe the Holy Bible is a collection of stories which were used to teach the general population about God in a manner that they would understand, and used scare tactics to secure their faith (such as you will go to hell and burn for eternity if you sin...). As a result, I study the Bible for the message, not the word for word break down. Just think of all the typos that must have happened with the monks over time.

Re: Ok, and?

nightskyre March 26th, 2007
"We all eventually die, therefore we must all be sinners. Even Jesus died in an earthly sense, does that mean he sinned as well?"

I'm just going to assume you didn't really think this question through before you asked it.

"All squares are red" - Does this mean all red things are square?

While it is vastly easier to describe the end of Christ's life as "death", you have to understand that the end of Christ's physical life wasn't like the end of your life or the end of my life. This is the account of the ending of Christ's life in each gospel.

Matthew 27:50 "And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit."

Mark 15:37 "And Jesus uttered a loud cry, and breathed His last."

Luke 23:46 "And Jesus, crying out with a loud voice, said, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." Having said this, He breathed His last."

John 19:30 "Therefore when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It is finished!" And He bowed His head and gave up His spirit."

You will see here, Christ gave up his spirit. This is something that we as regular humans are unable and powerless to do (otherwise those who are destined to heaven certainly would have left this world long ago)

"used scare tactics to secure their faith"

I never understood this statement. I've heard it a lot, but it doesn't make sense. Who exactly are you proposing did this? The Roman Catholic Church? Before the RCC, there was no singular church authority (with a single church head, a la the pope) who would seek to control groups of people. I mean, as someone astutely noted in my presence this past weekend, literacy is a fairly modern concept. Why write down a series of random laws written by people if those people are the ones that are going to be ruling the commoners anyway? Further, why would people want to scare someone to believe in something that doesn't gain the initiator? Why would we be taught to put Christ before everything? Don't you think if some higher authority (of men) wanted to control the common people they would want themselves to be exalted?

With regards to "typos", that's why there is so much analysis on the scriptural codexes (codices?). The King James version of the bible has verses that aren't in the ESV or the NASB. Why is this? Because the KJV was based on more recent manuscripts, and the ESV and NASB (and a few others) came later, when more manuscripts that were older were discovered.

There are hundreds if not thousands of biblical manuscripts available today. Of course, most of these are not complete, but there is enough overlap to check for errors in concurrently written manuscripts.

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